Proxmark developers community

Research, development and trades concerning the powerful Proxmark3 device.

Remember; sharing is caring. Bring something back to the community.


"Learn the tools of the trade the hard way." +Fravia

You are not logged in.

#1 2018-02-24 18:31:29

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

The idea with this thread is for you guys to have a place to ask questions or give feedback on the new kickstarter for the proxmark3 rdv40 device.

Bring in the love!


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#2 2018-02-26 07:08:01

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

O lord,   the kickstarer is 87%  in 48hours.    We feel the community love!


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#3 2018-02-27 04:07:18

0xFFFF
Administrator
From: Vic - Australia
Registered: 2011-05-31
Posts: 546

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Steadily climbing! Cruising past 111% as I'm posting this.

Thank you everyone for all that you've done to help make this possible!


modhex(ecijhhhhhhhhfchdhbidhniihghdduhehvhtduhbig)

Offline

#4 2018-02-27 09:17:45

Dmanufacturer
Contributor
Registered: 2017-08-15
Posts: 42

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Congratulations guys! you have an awesome product and I can't wait to get my hands on it.

Offline

#5 2018-02-27 09:57:26

piwi
Moderator
Registered: 2013-06-04
Posts: 524

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Is there some information available (besides the pictures and FAQ on kickstarter)?

Offline

#6 2018-02-27 10:10:41

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Besides the kickstarter description, faq and pictures.  no.
What kind of information are you looking for?


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#7 2018-02-27 10:29:59

piwi
Moderator
Registered: 2013-06-04
Posts: 524

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Is it backwards compatible with existing PM3? Existing firmware runs on Rdv40? Same SOC, same FPGA? Schematic available?

Offline

#8 2018-02-27 10:40:23

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Backwards compatible with existing PM3? 
The official firmware runs on it, same fpga, same mcu,   since the MCU has limited pins, previous unused pins in the firmware, has been taken to support the FPC connector and flashmem.   Schematic not released.


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#9 2018-04-15 20:05:17

skappy
Contributor
Registered: 2014-01-13
Posts: 91

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Dear Iceman,
I have just missed the kickstarter campain, is there any possibility to participate nevertheless please ?
Thx a lot !
Have a nice day
Skappy

Offline

#10 2018-04-16 06:16:33

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Aouch,  the kickstarter is closed as you noticed.  However we are working with getting US/EU partners as we speak in order to get the rdv4 out on some webshops.  You will be able to buy it there most likely end of the summer or beginning autumn.


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#11 2018-05-03 19:34:36

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

To ya'll rdv40 kickstarter backers,

A sneak preview for the onboard flash memory support on client.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXxRdzDpjH8


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#12 2018-06-21 15:15:09

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

We all back from fulfilling the VIP-pledge in ShenZhen, China,   it was a great time meeting up with Garrett from Hackerware house!


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#13 2018-07-09 16:01:14

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

To ya'll rdv40 kickstart backers,

A short preview on how the new smart card commands works on pm3 client.

https://youtu.be/bYU7j3mwwDk


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#14 2018-07-20 09:57:58

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

The team had some discussions and we concluded since RDV40 runs offical pm3 repo but it will of course not run the new hardware features.  There differenes are some changes like hw tune which will indicate the wrong values for antennas etc but to support the new features we would change code.  We agreed not to convolute offical repo with our changes given the vaste number of older devices.
It would make source code more complicated as it is and all we want is harmony in the community.
All new features is found in iceman fork. The team will only work on RDV40 source code base from now on which lead us to create a new repo dedicated for RDV40.  You find the links below,  you can follow us but I haven't updated the repo yet.

Share your love and dedication to proxmark3 and especially RDV40 by contributing to it.



冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#15 2018-07-21 00:09:20

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

....@doegox made a nice visual demostration of distances for RDV40 and the large antenna.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DikysxeX4AE9U5G.jpg


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#16 2018-07-25 12:37:15

fips
Contributor
Registered: 2018-02-17
Posts: 12

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Are you already writing a manual? like what the LEDs about? and some simple FAQs?

Offline

#17 2018-07-27 08:58:50

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

The proxmark wiki is an excellent starting point.  I also suggest you read http://www.proxmark.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1125

The firmware uses leds very different within different commands.  So no generic overview exists.  There has been blogposts for some standalone modes that describes the led use within that standalone mode.   Feel free to contribute.


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#18 2018-07-27 15:34:48

www
Contributor
Registered: 2018-07-25
Posts: 3

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Hi all.
I'm having trouble guessing the use of the red & blue antennas.
Event the kickstarter page is quite mutic on this.
" LF & HF antennas "
But they seem to ben exactly identical to the black one and holding both frequencies antennas.
Please explain?

Offline

#19 2018-07-27 16:21:58

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

We answered this one on the kickstarter comment section a couple of months back,  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/14 … 0/comments

The blue and red antennas are the same as the black one. All of them comes in LF & HF. Same functionality just different color.


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#20 2018-07-29 07:19:08

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

About binary distributions for RDV40
The short answer is no. We are not planning on maintaining binary files.
The reason for this is that there is many different OS's and configurations.
Secondly the source code changes alot and the general recommendation of this forum is to run the latest source.
Thirdly the RDV40 runs both offical repo and iceman fork.
Forthly, there already exists a binary distribution by Gator96100  http://www.proxmark.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3975

Where to find information?
You will find that there is much information on this forum and on the proxmark3 wiki.  Do take time to read it.  Most common problems has already been asked and answered several times. The search button is your friend.

First thing to do with your brand new RDV40?
Your RDV40  comes with a modern icemanfork image which enables you to flash it with either latest offical repo or iceman fork normally.
Git clone / compile / flash and enjoy it.   Or if you don't want to compile,  go for the pre-compiled binary distro by Gator96100

Observations

* Continuously usage will cause overheating, so try not to use it under crazy conditions (Under the sun or extreme condition)
* Official Repo will cause overheating, since it is quite lax in turning off the antenna.

Just try not to push the proxmark3 too hard under extreme condition. It happens on all revisions of the proxmark3 device.


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#21 2018-07-30 05:39:49

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Where does this heat come from? The more antenna power, the more heat.

RDV40 standard dual antenna pushes 71V LF and 43V HF
That is some serious power levels.

How much more can you cream out? Good question, the adc and design maxes about 130V LF and 46V  HF if I remember it correct...


pm3 --> hw tune

[=] measuring antenna characteristics, please wait...

....

[+] LF antenna: 71.95 V - 125.00 kHz
[+] LF antenna: 37.67 V - 134.00 kHz
[+] LF optimal: 71.95 V - 125.00 kHz
[+] LF antenna is OK

[+] HF antenna: 43.90 V - 13.56 MHz
[+] HF antenna is OK

[+] Displaying LF tuning graph. Divisor 89 is 134khz, 95 is 125khz.


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#22 2018-07-30 06:45:48

piwi
Moderator
Registered: 2013-06-04
Posts: 524

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

This would explain possible overheating on rdv40 only. What about the other revisions? The observation states "It happens on all revisions of the proxmark3 device."

Offline

#23 2018-07-30 07:15:02

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

I have no explanation as to why overheating happens on all revisions.  My guess would be hardware design,  hardware components used and software usage.  The observation is made by proxgrind, who is way better at hardware than me.

Simple software test would be,  like I mentioned a couple of months back on GitHub to take and run iso15 commands,  or any command doesn't turn of antenna afterwards,  and let the device be for 24+ hours...
https://github.com/Proxmark/proxmark3/issues/499


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

#24 2018-07-31 07:07:07

piwi
Moderator
Registered: 2013-06-04
Posts: 524

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

I ran the proposed test with running hf 15 reader and then simply wait and see. I "risked" both my Proxmarks at once: one PM3 with original board design and one PM3 with Elechouse RDV2. Both running current official firmware.

Results:

  • after a few minutes FPGA and the coil drivers (IC9 and IC10) become the warmest parts of the PM3

  • Maximum measured IC9 temperature during 23hours: 34 degrees Celsius (93 degress Fahrenheit) at the maximum ambient air temperature of 28 degrees Celsius (82 degrees Fahrenheit)

  • The IC temperature follows the ambient air temperature with a constant difference

Conclusion: There is no overheating risk at all with Orignal and Elechouse RDV2 boards (well, as long as you don't operate them in an oven). The statement above therefore must have been a misunderstanding?

Offline

#25 2018-07-31 10:08:41

iceman
Administrator
Registered: 2013-04-25
Posts: 4,781
Website

Re: Questions / feedback regarding proxmark3 rdv40

Please don't hijack theads. You already started one thread for this subject.


冰人

modhex(hkhehghthbhudcfcdchkigiehgduiehg)

Offline

Board footer

Powered by FluxBB