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#1 2017-02-16 07:18:08

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Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

Hi guys I came across some websites and I found there are some "upgraded Chinese magic UID cards" out there", named CUID and UFUID, which claims it can crack through the authentication of few newer readers on the market.
However I've never heard of those cards on this forum and can hardly find any information about those cards.

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#2 2017-02-16 10:37:21

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

Never heard of CUID,UFUID magic tags,  but there is a super crack card  which does the reader/card attack.

Could be one of those,  you got some links to these new magic tags?


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#3 2017-02-16 11:14:17

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

iceman wrote:

Never heard of CUID,UFUID magic tags,  but there is a super crack card  which does the reader/card attack.

Could be one of those,  you got some links to these new magic tags?

Those cards could be ordered from Taobao(Chinese ebay), unfortunately all the information are in Chinese .

My rough understanding based on the description the seller provided: this is upgraded Chinese UID card. The standard Chinese UID card can be easily detected and blocked by some newer readers. CUID does not answer to Chinese magic door commands (?) so it can't be detected.

I don't really understand how it works but I ordered a few CUIDs and I will try out...

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#4 2017-02-16 14:48:24

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

Curious new magic tags.  Three different names pops up: CUID / FUID / UFUID

CUID
Some ads says "write once"  hinting that the card is not fused block0 from factory.  ie support one block0 change.

FUID
Also one-time card, to counter the "anti-elevator" systems.   Some posts on forum suggests broken tags after used on elevators.

UFUID
---

Whats more?  Ads saying special write software.  Not detectable magic tags,  well,  I've seen the newer magic tag models which doesn't follow old backdoor commandset.  It fits in ad descriptions.   So many questions, so few answers


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#5 2017-02-16 16:41:25

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

iceman wrote:

Curious new magic tags.  Three different names pops up: CUID / FUID / UFUID

CUID
Some ads says "write once"  hinting that the card is not fused block0 from factory.  ie support one block0 change.

FUID
Also one-time card, to counter the "anti-elevator" systems.   Some posts on forum suggests broken tags after used on elevators.

UFUID
---

Whats more?  Ads saying special write software.  Not detectable magic tags,  well,  I've seen the newer magic tag models which doesn't follow old backdoor commandset.  It fits in ad descriptions.   So many questions, so few answers

Apparently based on their ADS: UFUID>>CUID>>FUID.
They all developed from the original Chinese magic UID card in order to counter the anti-elevator system.
FUID can only be write once due to there's no backdoor

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#6 2017-02-16 19:28:52

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

ADS?  funny name Anti-elevator-System...  Still, it says nothing if its a unfused facility card (write block0 once) or if it is those new magic tags I've seen which uses a subset of backdoor commands.   
The sentence about "no backdoor" just indicates its a generation2 tag.  Which the AntiElevatorSystem wouldn't have any problems with bricking those cards.


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#7 2017-02-18 11:56:42

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

iceman wrote:

ADS?  funny name Anti-elevator-System...  Still, it says nothing if its a unfused facility card (write block0 once) or if it is those new magic tags I've seen which uses a subset of backdoor commands.   
The sentence about "no backdoor" just indicates its a generation2 tag.  Which the AntiElevatorSystem wouldn't have any problems with bricking those cards.

Hey iceman I just got my CUID card and I immediately rewrite the data into this card and tried it on the elevator reader....and it works perfectly. The only difference is it does not answer to Chinese magic backdoor commands.

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#8 2017-02-18 12:04:10

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

ok,  so lets see what kind of tag it is.
Did you use the normal "hf mf wrbl" command when writing block0?  and post tracelog from the normal commands

hf 14a read
hf 14a list

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#9 2017-02-20 07:06:20

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

yes I used "hf mf wrbl" command to write data.

proxmark3> hw ver
[[[ Cached information ]]]
Prox/RFID mark3 RFID instrument         
bootrom: /-suspect 2015-11-19 10:08:02
os: /-suspect 2015-11-19 10:08:09
LF FPGA image built for 2s30vq100 on 2015/03/06 at 07:38:04
HF FPGA image built for 2s30vq100 on 2015/11/ 2 at  9: 8: 8
uC: AT91SAM7S256 Rev B         
Embedded Processor: ARM7TDMI         
Nonvolatile Program Memory Size: 256K bytes. Used: 169916 bytes (65%). Free: 92228 bytes (35%).         
Second Nonvolatile Program Memory Size: None         
Internal SRAM Size: 64K bytes         
Architecture Identifier: AT91SAM7Sxx Series         
Nonvolatile Program Memory Type: Embedded Flash Memory

proxmark3> hf 14a read
UID : d8 4d 2b 03           
ATQA : 00 04         
SAK : 08 [2]         
TYPE : NXP MIFARE CLASSIC 1k | Plus 2k SL1         
proprietary non iso14443-4 card found, RATS not supported         
Answers to chinese magic backdoor commands: NO

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#10 2017-02-20 07:11:26

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

proxmark3> hf list 14a
Recorded Activity (TraceLen = 133 bytes)         
Start = Start of Start Bit, End = End of last modulation. Src = Source of Transfer         
iso14443a - All times are in carrier periods (1/13.56Mhz)         
iClass    - Timings are not as accurate         
      Start |        End | Src | Data (! denotes parity error)                                   | CRC | Annotation         |         
------------|------------|-----|-----------------------------------------------------------------|-----|--------------------|         
          0 |        992 | Rdr | 52                                                              |     | WUPA         
       2244 |       4612 | Tag | 04  00                                                          |     |           
       7040 |       9504 | Rdr | 93  20                                                          |     | ANTICOLL         
      10692 |      16516 | Tag | d8  4d  2b  03  bd                                              |     |           
      18560 |      29088 | Rdr | 93  70  d8  4d  2b  03  bd  28  8f                              |  ok | SELECT_UID         
      30276 |      33796 | Tag | 08  b6  dd                                                      |     |           
     428160 |     432928 | Rdr | e0  80  31  73                                                  |  ok | RATS         
     434116 |     434756 | Tag | 04                                                              |     |           
     852224 |     853216 | Rdr | 40                                                              |     | MAGIC WUPC1

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#11 2017-02-20 11:35:30

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

Using "hf mf wrbl" to Block0 means you have a magic tag Generation2  (s50, 1k, 4byte uid) .

The output from "hf list 14a" is missing some rows but it shouldnt reveal anything that contradics.


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#12 2017-03-03 16:31:58

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

iceman wrote:

Curious new magic tags.  Three different names pops up: CUID / FUID / UFUID

CUID
Some ads says "write once"  hinting that the card is not fused block0 from factory.  ie support one block0 change.

FUID
Also one-time card, to counter the "anti-elevator" systems.   Some posts on forum suggests broken tags after used on elevators.

UFUID
---

Whats more?  Ads saying special write software.  Not detectable magic tags,  well,  I've seen the newer magic tag models which doesn't follow old backdoor commandset.  It fits in ad descriptions.   So many questions, so few answers

Based on the Taobao listings I've seen, CUID refers to the card we know as the Gen 2 card. (U)FUID refers a one-time writable card.

I think UFUID and FUID differ in protocol, but I'm not sure. In effect they are the same though — they are write-once. (I'm not sure if that means block 0 or the whole card data.)

You can read this blogpost (which seems like an advertisement for CUID cards, actually).

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#13 2017-03-04 12:07:48

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

Cuid is gen2, check.
(u)fuid is factory-unfused.  ie one-time-change, check.


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#14 2017-04-02 06:09:12

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

ltq1990

Please link me to these so I can check them out further.

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#15 2017-08-14 13:59:47

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

*update*
Good to know when ordering from Chinese sellers. 

CUID
magic card, generation 2,   block0 writeable serveral times, with normal mifare commands. 
Purpose:  to be used with any rfid reader/writer which supports mifare (like a smartphone)

FUID
unfused card, or write-once card.  Normal card but you can re-write UID once , with normal mifare commands.
Purpose:  parking/elevator system with "anti-clone" feature where it "re-writes" block 0, effectivly making sure your clone doesn't work.

UFUID
Magic card, generation 1a,  answers to backdoor commands


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#16 2017-11-24 09:48:57

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

Good to know that if you really need to buy FUID please do not buy UFUID even though chinese seller claim it works same as FUID. I tried buying some UFUID from few of chinese seller but it actually works as Magic card, generation 1a

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#17 2018-04-10 13:12:55

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

hi , i recently joined the PM3 community and purchase one PM3 Easy from Elechouse also a bunch of IC/ID cards from Chinese Ebay (Taobao..)

regarding the CUID, FUID and Gen1a  I can see iceman has provided very detailed explanation over different threads.

Regarding the UFUID, I am sharing my findings ( information from words of seller also video clips available in Chinese only sad )

1 - seller claims that UFUID is a special card, which is like a Magic Card (Gen 1a), you can csetuid multiple times
            BUT, [citing]*you need a special software to LOCK the UID* [/citing], once this is done, the card become a normal MiS50 (not response to backdoor command)
             seller claims  ACR122U can do it..or those 08CD machine(s)

2 - I also found a video clip from streaming website on the following link (in Chinese)
             at 45 second, the voice was saying you can click the middle button to LOCK the UID , then it become a normal S50
    https://v.qq.com/x/page/n0399sfd6p9.html


I am still trying to see if seller can provide me more info , or I can source a 08CD / 16CD to lock the UID somehow on my UFUID (which seemingly act like a Gen1a magic card, failing on my FDi reader , while a normal Gen2 CUID fixes my problem swiftly) , will report back if any findings available

In theory if those software/machine can do that, pm3 should be capable as well, am I correct?

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#18 2018-04-10 13:23:09

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

you only need to sniff the traffic in order to know which commands the card is used to set UID,  and you can use the 14a raw commands to send the same on pm3.
Just like the uluid.lua script works..


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#19 2018-05-16 09:04:40

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Re: Anyone familiar with CUID and UFUID cards?

I have some data about this card when locking UID, but I can't Understand it.

Rdr |52                                                                       |     | WUPA
  675689536 |  675690528 | Rdr |52                                                                         |     | WUPA
  675691780 |  675694148 | Tag |04  00                                                                   |     |
  675719172 |  675722692 | Tag |08  b6  dd                                                               |     |
  675918640 |  675923408 | Rdr |50  00  57  cd                                                           |  ok | HALT
  676754096 |  676755088 | Rdr |40                                                                       |     | MAGIC WUPC1
  676756324 |  676756900 | Tag |0a!                                                                      |     |
  676875680 |  676876992 | Rdr |43                                                                       |     | MAGIC WUPC2
  676878180 |  676878756 | Tag |0a!                                                                      |     |
  677090004 |  677110804 | Tag |7a  ff  00  00  00  00  00  00  ba  fa  00  00  00  00  00  08  f1  69   |  ok |
  677220240 |  677224944 | Rdr |e1  00  e1  ee                                                           |  ok |
  677226196 |  677226772 | Tag |0a!                                                                      |     |
  677322624 |  677343456 | Rdr |85  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  08  18  47   |  ok |
  677388228 |  677388804 | Tag |0a!                                                                      |     |
  699334752 |  699335744 | Rdr |52                                                                       |     | WUPA
  699410784 |  699411776 | Rdr |52                                                                       |     | WUPA
  699413028 |  699415396 | Tag |04  00                                                                   |     |
  699428704 |  699439232 | Rdr |93  70  3b  c2  b2  51  1a  00  02                                       |  ok | SELECT_UID
  699440436 |  699443956 | Tag |08  b6  dd                                                               |     |
  702473536 |  702474528 | Rdr |52                                                                       |     | WUPA
  702549568 |  702550560 | Rdr |52                                                                       |     | WUPA

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